Posts by raymond frantz

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2024-April Shepherd The Flock Of God Manual.

by Atlantis in

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2024-april-elder-manual.. .

https://files.accessjw.org/s/qpctw2hg87t9hxx .

grandpa!.

Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

by redsetter2 in

the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

You are like a child going around my other posts leaving silly comments, it's alright I got the measure of you. I very much doubt you are anything you are professing to be. Either lloyd evans or one of his trolls

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Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

by redsetter2 in

the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

raymond frantz

Interesting these are exactly the same words Lloyd Evans used to his patreons when he saw me and Kim Silvio outside Wilmslow KH

Phil, you are getting your 15 minutes of fame on YouTube

Are you really Lloyd Evans?

What are you on about? Do you think this is about fame?

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Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

by redsetter2 in

the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

raymond frantz

I was right you are en ex-elder!!! This is one of your first posts on this forum

You’re right Simon. I was an Elder for 25 years and served on well over 100 committees. I also was assigned by Circuit Overseers to about 10 Appeals Committees. I have never seen an original committee’s decision reversed by appeal.

So while you were disfellowshiping exjw's like myself most of your life, having innocent blood of people like me in your hands, you decided to retire on this site and pontificate from your throne of authority on the nature of truth and who has the right to protect it.

And now you want a gold star for knowing the inner workings of a judicial committee, well become an activist like myself put your face on camera and start offering advise instead of lurking in the shadows of a posts such as this one and trying to tear down as many exjws as possible;

I was never an elder, and proudly so. I have no innocent blood in my hands from disfellowshipping people like you and NO you don't need to be an ex elder to be the authority on matters pertaining jehovah's witnesses.

Tell me was it on the 99th time or the 100th time sitting on JC that you felt sorry for the person getting disfellowshipped?

You tick all the boxes for a Watchtower planned opposition.

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Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

by redsetter2 in

the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

raymond frantz

Elmer, as regards Wilmslow you need to ask Kim Silvio, she can vouch for me, as regards redsetter2 I chose to believe him and when you start putting your face on screen I will take you seriously, until then anything is possible, you may be the real wolf that tries to drive actrivists away from this site, like mr Evans did, so no I will not play to your tune and I won't fall behind your mantra, you sound like an ex elder

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Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

by redsetter2 in

the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

raymond frantz

Whether I choose to believe redsetter2 or not is based on my own personal criteria of vetting his information.Why do we give whistleblowers such a hard time is beyond me.Cant we all agree that we are independent individuals and can be our own arbiter of truth? Why do we need a committee of trusted exjw brothers like the Watchtower to make informed decisions of what we consider truth or not?

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SCHEMING TO END YOUR MARRIAGE NOW AS BAD AS APOSTASY

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/-yvykw37rzo?si=vwokohrdq2b53fmh.

by now, it should be painfully obvious that we live in a post tonny morris era where the floods of organizational changes have become possible and a new version of the religion, some have called it warchtower 2.0 is emerging with a soft approach to disfellowshipping practices across the board for all those sinners.

nevertheless 3 groups of people will still be targeted for harsh excommunication, we know the first two well :csa perpetrators and apostates.

raymond frantz

I think the freedom to impose these new changes at will is coming to an end, according to the new changes the circuit overseers will serve far longer than 3 years in a circuit and they will recommend elders not the other way around , if that is the case wiggle room for light treatment for friends and family by the local elders is coming to an end too, what do you think?

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GERMAN EXJW YOUTUBE CHANNEL WINS IN COURT

by raymond frantz in

this following story is about the german exjw channel jz help that received a cease and desist letter from the watchtower : "we embarked on a journey to shed light on human rights violations within the jehovah's witnesses community.

it all began when our youtube channel, initially named jw victim assistance, was abruptly suspended in august 2019 by the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, claiming a breach of human rights.

subsequently, in october, we received a cease and desist notice, demanding the cessation of using the abbreviation 'jw' within a short timeframe.

raymond frantz

3rdgen, you're welcome!

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GERMAN EXJW YOUTUBE CHANNEL WINS IN COURT

by raymond frantz in

this following story is about the german exjw channel jz help that received a cease and desist letter from the watchtower : "we embarked on a journey to shed light on human rights violations within the jehovah's witnesses community.

it all began when our youtube channel, initially named jw victim assistance, was abruptly suspended in august 2019 by the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, claiming a breach of human rights.

subsequently, in october, we received a cease and desist notice, demanding the cessation of using the abbreviation 'jw' within a short timeframe.

raymond frantz

This following story is about the German exjw channel JZ Help that received a cease and desist letter from the Watchtower : "We embarked on a journey to shed light on human rights violations within the Jehovah's Witnesses community. It all began when our YouTube channel, initially named JW Victim Assistance, was abruptly suspended in August 2019 by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, claiming a breach of human rights. Subsequently, in October, we received a cease and desist notice, demanding the cessation of using the abbreviation 'JW' within a short timeframe. We had previously registered the trademark 'JW,' and during the objection period, an appeal was lodged by the organization. Seeking legal advice, we found the odds of winning a legal battle to be 50-50 due to the trademark already being registered by the Society of Pennsylvania. Moreover, the associated legal costs posed a significant financial burden, which we were unable to bear at the time. Consequently, we reached a settlement agreement, agreeing to discontinue the use of 'JW' and adopting 'JZ' instead. This prompted us to update our online presence and social media platforms accordingly, renaming our association and revising our branding.However, our efforts to move forward were met with another challenge in October 2020 when we received a similar cease and desist notice from the Jehovah's Witnesses religious community in Germany, despite the trademark already being registered. This time, we chose not to agree to a settlement but continued using the trademark, leading to a lawsuit from the Jehovah's Witnesses before the Regional Court of Frankfurt. To our relief, the court dismissed the lawsuit, stating that the Jehovah's Witnesses had not adequately demonstrated their use of the 'JZ' trademark in commerce.Subsequently, the Jehovah's Witnesses appealed the decision, leading to a hearing in November 2023. The court proposed a settlement suggesting that we refrain from using 'JZ' as a sole trademark but allowed us to continue using 'JZ Help.' Despite our agreement to the proposed settlement, the Jehovah's Witnesses rejected it, aiming to cease our association's activities altogether. However, in January 2024, the court ruled in our favor, dismissing the Jehovah's Witnesses' lawsuit and granting our counterclaim as an association.This legal victory underscores the unjust nature of the cease and desist notices we received. It highlights the Jehovah's Witnesses' attempts to silence dissent and control the narrative. Despite the challenges we faced, the unwavering support of our members allowed us to persevere. Moving forward, we remain committed to exposing human rights violations within the Jehovah's Witnesses community and will continue our efforts with renewed vigor

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SCHEMING TO END YOUR MARRIAGE NOW AS BAD AS APOSTASY

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/-yvykw37rzo?si=vwokohrdq2b53fmh.

by now, it should be painfully obvious that we live in a post tonny morris era where the floods of organizational changes have become possible and a new version of the religion, some have called it warchtower 2.0 is emerging with a soft approach to disfellowshipping practices across the board for all those sinners.

nevertheless 3 groups of people will still be targeted for harsh excommunication, we know the first two well :csa perpetrators and apostates.

raymond frantz

https://youtu.be/-YvYKw37Rzo?si=vWokohRdQ2B53Fmh

By now, it should be painfully obvious that we live in a post Tonny Morris era where the floods of organizational changes have become possible and a new version of the religion, some have called it Warchtower 2.0 is emerging with a soft approach to disfellowshipping practices across the board for all those sinners. Nevertheless 3 groups of people will still be targeted for harsh excommunication, we know the first two well :CSA perpetrators and apostates. The reasons are obvious, the first group has cost the Organization millions in settlement cases and the second, the apostates are the ones exposing the Watchtower for the toxic cult that they are, but the third one caught my attention "the ones who scheme to end their marriage".Whatever this is? And why is the Watchtower so concerned with this 3 group of people? Before I delve into the reasons why, here is the direction that was send to all elders only a few days ago from the Organization as regards disfellowshipping:

By skillful use of the Scriptures, the committee should try to reach the wrongdoer's heart and lead him to repentance. If through your efforts Jehovah gives the individual repentance, this is a cause for rejoicing. (Luke 15:7; 2 Tim. 2:25; 2 Pet. 3:9) In such cases, appropriate restrictions will be temporarily imposed. If the wrongdoing is widely known or likely to be- come known, a brief announcement of the reproof can be made to the congregation. Restrictions should be viewed as temporary and should be removed without delay as the individual makes a spiritual recovery. Of course, with certain kinds of wrongdoing—such as child abuse, apostasy, and scheming to end a marriage—restrictions will need to be in place much longer. (sfl chap. 12 pars. 10-12; chap. 14 pars. 22-24)

The SFL book,2022 edition has this to say about those "scheming to end their marriage:

Whether or not a divorced Christian remarries, if he deliberately committed adultery in a scheming way so as to end his previous marriage or he pressured his innocent mate to reject him so that she eventually agreed to a divorce, he has dealt treacherously with her. (Mal. 2:14-16) He would not qualify for special privileges for many years.—See 1:2.8; 2:4; 8:7-8.

Also a recent internal memo to elders over a year ago had this to say:

So this group of sinners have now joined the apostates and CSA perpetrators. This is not an accident. Here is what a think.Over the past decades due to a relaxed attitude towards divorces that left the door open for one or both marriage mates to invent new ways in getting a divorce this has created a toxic environment in many kingdom halls for the following reasons:

First, the divorce rate among Jehovah's Witnesses is way higher than previous years. In my congregation alone of 120 publishers I counted 25 divorces or over 20% rate.
Usually in the world people get divorced and remarry and disappear from the radar BUT in the Jehovah’s Witnesses they tend to stay in the Witnesses and many times stay in the same congregation creating a toxic environment for them and all the families involved.
Most of the times the innocent married parties get stumbled and leave and the congregation is then left with the rotten eggs that schemed in the first place to end their marriages.
Some brothers or sisters having realised they can get away with murder because of the loopholes the Watchtower created in the first place they turned divorcing Jw style into a cottage industry. I know off a sister who got away with 3 Scriptural divorces having accused her husbands for fictitious and yet Scripturally valid reasons to end her marriage.

The Watchtower has finaly realised that long term this attitude towards divorce has left them with congregations full of legally accepted adulterers who schemed their way our of Bible based marriage. This has created a void and a reducing in contributions from all those who walked away over the years because of this reason.

That is why in 2024 , this group, those who scheme to end their marriage have now become top priority target for long and harsh disfellowshipping, as severe as those who are accused for apostasy.

What do you think? Have ou witnessed that in your congregation? What does the future hold for jw divorces?